Automatic Stabilization thru Vector Entanglement Tutorial

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  1. CCCanyon

    CCCanyon Member

    The 2-dimensional vector entanglement technique learnt from the guide Levitation through Vector Entanglement by Neon.
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    Test 1, without gyro damper:

    Test 2, with gyro damper:


    Stabilizer in practice: CCC-80
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    The stabilizer can be quite small.
    I chose the tail fin to be the stabilizer, for there's space for it laying down.
    In this case, the rotors are the gyro dampers.
    It needs just a single key to activate before the flight.
    And most importantly, it's ice-proof, unlike the balloon based stabilizer.

    spiderling page
    original no stabilizer version file
    stabilized version file
    stabilized Steam page

    Tutorial demo:
    see attached file below (ve-tut.bsg)

    Attached Files:

    Last edited: Mar 12, 2017
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  2. KrautregenXD

    KrautregenXD Member

    Now i actually understand it, thank you
  3. stuChris

    stuChris Member

    this is amazing btw
  4. ITR

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  5. stuChris

    stuChris Member

    hmm i had a thought, does this work on other xyz planes?
  6. Neon

    Neon New Member

    It works with any plane in wich the springs have a 0 scale value
  7. Yuri

    Yuri Member

    i bult it exactly but its is really weak and cant realy lift itself up only in 0g
    please tell me why
  8. stuChris

    stuChris Member

    if you look closer, youll notice he had zero-gravity on, and that gravity is the reason behind your problem.
  9. Yuri

    Yuri Member

    when damaged they freeze the game ....
    any solution
  10. stuChris

    stuChris Member

    yes, dont damage them
    or build something around them to protect them
  11. HectorDrako

    HectorDrako New Member

    It's me or this have not enough power to balance a small bipedal? Just asking
  12. CCCanyon

    CCCanyon Member

    Yes it's weak.
    Here's my suggestions:
    1. You can use a rope instead of a spring. Ropes are much more effective.
    2. You need a very long spring to increase the leverage.
    3. Just use positive and negative balloons. They are reliable.
    4. Same as 2, Lay down your machine and give it some springs from the head to the feet. It should have more stabilizing power when it stands up.
  13. Dakila

    Dakila New Member

    Thank you for this! I couldn't watch the video on neons steam for some reason. Also this seems a little easier to understand. ill let you know how it goes
  14. Neon

    Neon New Member

    Very high values of springs can freeze or crash the game, so setting the value for your spring to values too high like 1E+22 is not a good idea
  15. Chiyomi Anzai

    Chiyomi Anzai New Member

    bene bene! we can make flight stabile enough!
  16. vorticus

    vorticus Member

    hi, there s only files for the ccc80 helicopter, where can i download auto stabilization vector entanglement actual file ? thanks
  17. Sanpyr

    Sanpyr Active Member

    I learned this recently, but if you place a brace with both ends on the opposite sides of a block, and set its Z scale to something low like 0.0001 ( 0 scale doesn't work, don't use it), it will resist/stop rotation in a axis, the lower the scale, the higher it will resist.
    if you want to test it out, check out the example machine attatched:

    the machine works best in 0-g, for some reason any brace that doesn't start upright likes to twist around in gravity (still trying to find a way to fix this)

    Attached Files:

    Last edited: Nov 1, 2017
  18. CCCanyon

    CCCanyon Member

    Yes, that has been discussed in the discord chat room (join here) for a while. It's being called BES the brace entanglement stabilizer in the community.
    an extreme-scaled brace shifts its center of mass, causing the inertia of rotation get extremely large so that it rotates so little that it's nearly perfectly stabilized.
  19. Sanpyr

    Sanpyr Active Member

    thanks for the information, by the way, by extreme scaled, do you mean extremely large, or small?
  20. Sanpyr

    Sanpyr Active Member

    Also, I discovered: if you use ball joints (see below for picture) you can minimize and even get rid of the rotation for non-upright braces.
    the balljoints are braced end-to-end

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